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Explain something I don't understand about a MAF setup

 
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FPSeth



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Explain something I don't understand about a MAF setup Reply with quote

I never understood this, but I'm sure somebody more intelligent than me can explain it:
Lets use an example of an oem MAF based engine- Nissan, Subaru or Ford:

Lets say i start with a 2.0 liter subaru, and the MAF scaling (I like Ford's term: MAF transfer function) is tuned perfectly for the given fuel system+injectors.

Now, I pull that motor out, add displacement to make it a 2.5 liter, add larger lift and longer duration cams and improve the flow capabilities of the cylinder heads.
I re-install said motor with the exact same fuel system, injectors, MAF and piping before and after the MAF.

Now, in my head, i have installed a much more efficient airpump, but the measuring system of the air is identical so I should just be running at a higher voltage of the MAF curve, right? Increase the crank fuel and I should be able to start it up drive away. But the reality and my experience has always been that the car will run very lean and the actual shape of the MAF curve will change, sometimes subtly and sometimes dramatically.

WHY?
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Tomak



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Explain something I don't understand about a MAF setup Reply with quote

FPSeth wrote:
I never understood this, but I'm sure somebody more intelligent than me can explain it:
Lets use an example of an oem MAF based engine- Nissan, Subaru or Ford:

Lets say i start with a 2.0 liter subaru, and the MAF scaling (I like Ford's term: MAF transfer function) is tuned perfectly for the given fuel system+injectors.

Now, I pull that motor out, add displacement to make it a 2.5 liter, add larger lift and longer duration cams and improve the flow capabilities of the cylinder heads.
I re-install said motor with the exact same fuel system, injectors, MAF and piping before and after the MAF.

Now, in my head, i have installed a much more efficient airpump, but the measuring system of the air is identical so I should just be running at a higher voltage of the MAF curve, right? Increase the crank fuel and I should be able to start it up drive away. But the reality and my experience has always been that the car will run very lean and the actual shape of the MAF curve will change, sometimes subtly and sometimes dramatically.

WHY?


MAF curve doesn't change unless piping or maf did.

In Ford say, if you mess up the injector slopes, or breakpoint etc is usually the biggest issue.

Then there is the concept of "lost fuel", Ford in later calibrations has this table. Fuel that is "wasted" in ringlands, crevice volume etc, places where combustion is not efficient or complete. And fuel lost during overlap. So, typically, when you buidl a motor, stroke changes, piston changes, valve/port changes can change this lost fuel amount.

Also, you will have some sort of"load with failed maf" table that is used in anticipated fuel strategy and accel enrich, and not just when the maf fails.

All these things can lead to changes in fueling. Esepcially noticable at low loads.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends on the ecu in question.
I think also the assumption is the linearisation of the output will still be scaled correctly for a higher airflow and usually isn't the case.

For ecus where true speed density is used ie MAP and maf is pretty much a fail safe reference, you can. Eg Bosch MExx
Especially so when torque model hasn't been played with.
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