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Wolf_Tm250
Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Location: Parma - Italy
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:19 pm Post subject: Toyota VSV as idle valve? |
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Hi,
as the Delco is a very big and heavy idle valve, I wonder if it would be possible to use a 2 wire Toyota a/c idle up solenoid valve to control idle speed:
as anyone ever tried to control it via PWM?
Is it fast enough?
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Buzzard
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 160
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| It will probably not flow enough. |
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Wolf_Tm250
Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Location: Parma - Italy
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Buzzard wrote: | | It will probably not flow enough. |
Probably you are right, but as this is an AC idle up valve, the ports are quite big... and way bigger than, for example, ports of a turbo vsv...
Also wanted to know if usually those vsv are fast enough for PWM and/or if anyone already tried this route...
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Roberto Arano
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 360 Location: colorado
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Any on-off valve can do PWM if the frequency is low enough, not sure how many cycles it will last though. WIll a combination of using it as an simple idle-up valve and idle timing control work? i.e near zero degrees at your idle target with increased timing below that target rpm to "push" it back up (commmonly used on cars without idle valves). _________________ www.circuitse7en.net
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Wolf_Tm250
Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Location: Parma - Italy
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Roberto Arano wrote: | | Any on-off valve can do PWM if the frequency is low enough, not sure how many cycles it will last though. WIll a combination of using it as an simple idle-up valve and idle timing control work? i.e near zero degrees at your idle target with increased timing below that target rpm to "push" it back up (commmonly used on cars without idle valves). |
Yep, I'm already using this strategy as my cams give me a lumpy idle, anyway you're right... maybe that valve is not going to last enough... thanks _________________ TM enduro 250 2s.[55](2s is better than 4s)
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giskard
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 251
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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If the valve is operated with a PWM frequency of 500 Hz or higher, it may move linearly instead of clicking open and closed (which shortens its life). The problem I imagine is that the air metering may occur over a narrow range of duty cycle instead of over a large range, like a real PWM idle valve.
When you want a solenoid to move linearly, place a flyback diode across it. If you want it to open and close quickly, don't (and you want its off voltage to "fly" to 60V or so). |
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mk3ukr
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Odessa, Ukraine
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Buzzard wrote: | | It will probably not flow enough. |
It's true, I tried it on my 3 ltr motor for cold idle up, gained maybe 100rpm with vsv open _________________ Vladimir, 89T |
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Wolf_Tm250
Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 196 Location: Parma - Italy
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| mk3ukr wrote: | | Buzzard wrote: | | It will probably not flow enough. |
It's true, I tried it on my 3 ltr motor for cold idle up, gained maybe 100rpm with vsv open |
So in a 2ltr engine could even be ok, providing a good mapping.
Are there other options? I mean good and small idle valves?
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