EFI University - fuel injection tuning education and training
FREE Electronic Fuel Injection Newsletter!
Feature articles, tuning tips,
and more!
 
 
EFI University
Electronic Fuel Injection Tuning Forum
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Toyota VSV as idle valve?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    EFI University Forum Index -> Tuning Tips
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Wolf_Tm250



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 196
Location: Parma - Italy

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Toyota VSV as idle valve? Reply with quote

Hi,
as the Delco is a very big and heavy idle valve, I wonder if it would be possible to use a 2 wire Toyota a/c idle up solenoid valve to control idle speed:
as anyone ever tried to control it via PWM?
Is it fast enough?
Thanks
_________________
TM enduro 250 2s.[55](2s is better than 4s)
Toyota Celica Gt-Four ST205 [588.25Nm@4957rpm]
EFI 101 + Advanced classes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Buzzard



Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 160

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will probably not flow enough.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Wolf_Tm250



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 196
Location: Parma - Italy

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buzzard wrote:
It will probably not flow enough.


Probably you are right, but as this is an AC idle up valve, the ports are quite big... and way bigger than, for example, ports of a turbo vsv...
Also wanted to know if usually those vsv are fast enough for PWM and/or if anyone already tried this route...

Thanks
_________________
TM enduro 250 2s.[55](2s is better than 4s)
Toyota Celica Gt-Four ST205 [588.25Nm@4957rpm]
EFI 101 + Advanced classes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Roberto Arano



Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Posts: 360
Location: colorado

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any on-off valve can do PWM if the frequency is low enough, not sure how many cycles it will last though. WIll a combination of using it as an simple idle-up valve and idle timing control work? i.e near zero degrees at your idle target with increased timing below that target rpm to "push" it back up (commmonly used on cars without idle valves).
_________________
www.circuitse7en.net
http://stores.ebay.com/Circuit-Se7en
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Wolf_Tm250



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 196
Location: Parma - Italy

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roberto Arano wrote:
Any on-off valve can do PWM if the frequency is low enough, not sure how many cycles it will last though. WIll a combination of using it as an simple idle-up valve and idle timing control work? i.e near zero degrees at your idle target with increased timing below that target rpm to "push" it back up (commmonly used on cars without idle valves).


Yep, I'm already using this strategy as my cams give me a lumpy idle, anyway you're right... maybe that valve is not going to last enough... thanks
_________________
TM enduro 250 2s.[55](2s is better than 4s)
Toyota Celica Gt-Four ST205 [588.25Nm@4957rpm]
EFI 101 + Advanced classes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
giskard



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 251

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the valve is operated with a PWM frequency of 500 Hz or higher, it may move linearly instead of clicking open and closed (which shortens its life). The problem I imagine is that the air metering may occur over a narrow range of duty cycle instead of over a large range, like a real PWM idle valve.

When you want a solenoid to move linearly, place a flyback diode across it. If you want it to open and close quickly, don't (and you want its off voltage to "fly" to 60V or so).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mk3ukr



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Posts: 9
Location: Odessa, Ukraine

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buzzard wrote:
It will probably not flow enough.


It's true, I tried it on my 3 ltr motor for cold idle up, gained maybe 100rpm with vsv open
_________________
Vladimir, 89T
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Wolf_Tm250



Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 196
Location: Parma - Italy

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mk3ukr wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
It will probably not flow enough.


It's true, I tried it on my 3 ltr motor for cold idle up, gained maybe 100rpm with vsv open


So in a 2ltr engine could even be ok, providing a good mapping.

Are there other options? I mean good and small idle valves?

Thanks
_________________
TM enduro 250 2s.[55](2s is better than 4s)
Toyota Celica Gt-Four ST205 [588.25Nm@4957rpm]
EFI 101 + Advanced classes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    EFI University Forum Index -> Tuning Tips All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

©2007 EFI University