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busaman



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: CRANK CAM SIMULATER Reply with quote

Does anyone know how to make a cam/crank sensor simulator with variable speed to bench test standalone ecu,s i have a life f88 and want to do some boost bench simulations i run 24-2 crank mag sensor, and hall cam sensor,

i have heard it can be done by recording the signal.
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supercharged88



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know how to make one,out of my league.
However i own and use a TF ELECTRONICS Signal Generator.
Works great.
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busaman



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you do the missing teeth with that 24-2.
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Adam



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimstim is a very good tool for the money. It can do nearly all trigger patterns (inc 24-2) out of the box and you can program custom patterns with the optional cable. As well it will simulate TPS, coolant temps etc at the same time. http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/jimstim-15-megasquirt-stimulator-wheel-simulator-assembled-p-178.html
Another option, google "signalgen.zip" and you will find Rayhalls old application that can generate trigger signals using a parallel port (if you have a PC that still has one!)
The Megasquirt guys also have an application which generates and records an audio trigger signal which you can loop and play to your ECU through a sound card but I never had much succes getting that to work. http://www.megamanual.com/router/crankwheelpulser.htm

Best option is the Jimstim by far.
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stevieturbo



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

supercharged88 wrote:
I dont know how to make one,out of my league.
However i own and use a TF ELECTRONICS Signal Generator.
Works great.


Ray has also posted here before about his ecu simulator, Autosim which looks like a great product.

But the Jimstim is a much more basic version I guess...and of course much cheaper.
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supercharged88



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will check if 24-2 is a test pattern or not.
The Autosim you are referring to is an ECU test unit,capable of generating a variety of signals for testing ECU's enabling you to test aux outputs,inj o/p,ign o/p, testing the ECU for faults etc.
You connect the ECU to the Autosim.
The signal generator i am referring to is purely for replicating different trigger outputs for testing.
You connect the signal generator to the trigger inputs on the ECU for testing.
This unit is alot smaller and is alot cheaper than the Autosim.
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busaman



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all i want to do is feed in crank/cam signal to make the ecu think the engine is running, everything else is on the bike connected in realtime it could be something as simple as a drill with a rotor and pickup.
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SteveNichols



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:32 pm    Post subject: 24-2 sim Reply with quote

Remove all the spark plugs and use a 24v Pro Stock starter cart:) OR find a Honda Dizzy from any B series. Should have 1,4 and 24 teeth. Chuck it up in a die grinder and spin away.
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Roberto Arano



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've chucked a Bosch dizzy into a cordless drill before, mount the entire mess to a plywood board. Don't forget to take a picture of it ,as it's quite interesting to car other geeks. Wink I did this when I was making a dwell box to convert an SM2 CDI input to a dwell/module driver.

I shoulda framed the whole rube-goldburg and mounted it to a wall.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I recall Matt or someone else posting a video of an electric motor with a trigger wheel mounted on it for 20krpm testing

Obviously functional.....but could have been nasty if the trigger wheel had come of the motor !!!!
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fire



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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Download vemstune and use trigger generator
http://www.vems.hu/download/v3gui/NIGHTLY/VemsTune-Install-2012-05-23.exe
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Matt Cramer



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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieturbo wrote:
I think I recall Matt or someone else posting a video of an electric motor with a trigger wheel mounted on it for 20krpm testing

Obviously functional.....but could have been nasty if the trigger wheel had come of the motor !!!!


Yes, the final version had a 1/2" steel scatter shield around the wheel and a thick Lexan top.
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tonebone



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic is a little bit old but for anyone interested I have posted a digital simulator at http://www.xcore.com/projects/engine-camcrankshaft-simulator
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or download vemstune, in tools you have play trigger option
http://www.vems.hu/download/v3gui/VemsTune-Install-2013-02-15.exe
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The JimStim linked above is an excellent device.
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