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Tips or concerns when testing CVT

 
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El Verdugo



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Tips or concerns when testing CVT Reply with quote

Since these CVT transmissions are being more and more used in the auto industry. I had a client called me asking me if my dyno could test cars with a CVT? He sent me to a thread on a Sentra forum and there there was a comment about how hard it is to test these cars on dynos due to the finicky way the CVT transmission behaves.

So I ask the forum if some one has tested and what thing to look out for when trying these vehicles out.

Thanks,
Alberto
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes you can run them fine

but

they do not represent a fixed drive from the engine to the wheels

so make the customer aware you are measuring wheel power only

getting an rpm signal from the engine itself may be beneficial and plot any graphs with time along the x axis and rpm up the side for simplicity
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks man for the tips on testing these cars. I really appreciate it!

Have a good weekend.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've driven a few different cars with CVT, but I recall testing a Mitsubishi Lancer renter with a CVT and on it you just moved the gear lever to the manual slot and you could test it just like any normal transmission.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Todd.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like others said you will not be able to get engine torque by using roller speed as an engine speed estimate. An engine speed signal will be needed. The CVT should do fine though on the dyno. I test these on the dyno on a regular basis.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gadgeroonie, Thanks for the tip on running one axis as time. We were waiting for a customer this past weekend and decided to throw my 50cc scooter on the rollers. The plot was pretty useless. In case anyone is wondering it made 4hp and hardly registered any torque.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raising this thread from the dead.

Had a customer with a Polaris RZR with a CVT belt drive on my DD dyno yesterday and couldn't get a good sweep test. Put a load on the dyno and held a constant throttle position to keep RPM constant, then hit the Up switch and rolled into the throttle. At about 8,000 the RPM stopped climbing but MPH continued to increase making a vertical line on the graph. And it measured very low HP, 45HP. Any tips or thoughts on what I should do?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend popping the clutch off and connecting the engine by a driveshaft to an engine dyno, if engine performance is what you want to assess.
You could also limit the shiftout of the transmission by making a spacer that goes where the spring is in the primary pulley, preventing it from upshifting beyond a certain point.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have an engine dyno, so that's not an option. I need to research the spacer idea.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baldur wrote:
I'd recommend popping the clutch off and connecting the engine by a driveshaft to an engine dyno, if engine performance is what you want to assess.
You could also limit the shiftout of the transmission by making a spacer that goes where the spring is in the primary pulley, preventing it from upshifting beyond a certain point.

yeah, although quite informative....this is NOT feasible at all on a dyno test. we are talking about chasis dyno's here not engine dynos. thanks for your help though.
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